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Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2025 9:16 pm
by BigAl
Is the County really considering paving the road from the 4 corners to Mc Cauley Rd ?

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 1:01 pm
by JamesJBoyle
Man I sure hope so. While they're at it do Barney's Lake Road and Sloptown Road.

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 5:36 am
by just tim
"They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 7:53 am
by pbona
Better than lung silicosis, washboard car repairs, and our tax dollars going to road grading and dust remediation. Please pave all the way to Hannigan and other high traffic areas. Gravel was quaint while the population was low. Now travel at unsafe speeds and reduced visibility in dust clouds is just plain dangerous. Tar and chip works in our medium-low traveled byroads with normal to heavy loads and heavy farm harvesting equipment at posted speeds of 45mph on the mainland. I'm tired of being a CHVX second class taxpayer.

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 7:32 am
by Maureen Abele
In 2015, Peaine Township did a study of asphalt paving costs. It's posted on the township website. <https://peainetwp.org/nav/board_of_trus ... #outer-141> As you read it, keep in mind that, in 2015, the average cost of asphalt paving was approximately $210.26 per ton, while in 2025, the cost has risen to around $625.00 per ton (according to an AI search assist).

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 8:16 am
by JamesJBoyle
pbona wrote: ↑Fri Dec 12, 2025 7:53 am Better than lung silicosis, washboard car repairs, and our tax dollars going to road grading and dust remediation. Please pave all the way to Hannigan and other high traffic areas. Gravel was quaint while the population was low. Now travel at unsafe speeds and reduced visibility in dust clouds is just plain dangerous. Tar and chip works in our medium-low traveled byroads with normal to heavy loads and heavy farm harvesting equipment at posted speeds of 45mph on the mainland. I'm tired of being a CHVX second class taxpayer.
Well said and I agree 100%

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 9:39 am
by SKATINGFAMILY
I have been coming to Beaver Island for thirty years and have seen many changes. I to would like to see the roads paved as well. We could drive faster, be more like the mainland, make it like where some have come from a whole bevy of what were missing on the Island that is common place on the mainland. As a longtime Township Supervisor who has paved roads unless the voting constituency of Beaver Island want to pay more taxes or maybe you have what will become the millions of dollars it takes to do big road projects already saved up in your improvement fund or general fund? The point being the cost of the improvement projects is very high and without raising the money locally nothing will get done because the Counties no longer pay the bill for roads they used to. The last I heard from our county road commission was that they will help with the engineering, some man power and equipment. The local unit must pay for the paving and the company to do it which usually comes up to 90% of the total cost here on the mainland. You will have the additional costs of moving the equipment, housing and feeding the workers, setting up an asphalt plant and supplying all the raw materials. Pre covid the year round population I was told was about 600, please correct me if I am wrong. I do not think the number of year round residents has changed that much to warrant paving Eastside Drive, Donegal Bay Road or any others without taxing the hell out of the property owners on the Island. Apparently families with school age children have decreased so I can only assume that that decrease was replaced by "new" people who came during covid. I say stay the course and drive like Amy! I personally do not want to see the Island transformed into someplace someone came from because they miss those convenances. To truly love the Island is to embrace a simpler life style, waving at your neighbor (which has decreased since covid), being respectful when driving, slowing down, sharing a smile and a gesture of caring. Better roads, less dust, going faster are all things I despise about the mainland and is exactly why I continue to come to the Island in the summer and fall months to remind myself there is something better!

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2025 7:54 am
by pbona
Reality Check. Safety first. The Island population HAS already changed. Unless you wish to hold mandatory "Amy" driving classes, or stringently enforce safer driving by changing speed limits or increasing law enforcement, we will continue to endanger the health of children, the safety of cyclists and pedestrians. Islands like Madeline Island and Washington Island have not lost any of their beauty or character by having paved roads. You can still wave on a paved road, but you will have your window down and head out of the dust. East Side Drive and Mcauley road are unsafe from June to September. Ask anyone who has tried to pull out of their driveway or has had to drive at 5mph over washboard roads to avoid shaking loose fillings or been passed on a gravel road by someone going 50mph. Yes, it would be nice to have the aura of 1972, but it is 2025 and not at the sacrifice of our quality of life. Health and safety are not a convenience. I say this while understanding the difficulty of paying for these projects, but they could be achieved incrementally. Island labor, contractors and materials could reduce cost and provide much needed jobs. Municipal Bonds could be used for long term funding. Federal grants are also available. You have a ferry system and an airport because of them, Why not improve the roads? If you want nostalgia, bring back the Island spirit of self reliance and the ingenuity of the people who built corduroy roads.

"Tar and chip (or chip seal) typically costs $2 to $5 per square foot, depending on layers, location, and prep work; it's generally cheaper than asphalt but pricier than just gravel, often offering a rustic look with less maintenance than concrete. A single layer might be $2-$3/sq. ft., while a double layer could hit $3-$5/sq. ft. or more, with costs influenced by oil prices and stone selection.
Cost Breakdown & Factors
Average Range: Expect to pay in the $2–$5 per square foot range for a standard installation.
Single vs. Double: A single seal coat is around $2–$3/sq. ft., while a double seal can be $3–$5/sq. ft. or higher.
Factors Influencing Price:
Location & Labor: Costs vary by region and local labor rates.
Oil Prices: Asphalt prices fluctuate with oil commodity costs, affecting overall expense.
Stone Choice: Different colored or textured stones impact the final price.
Base Preparation: Installing over existing material in good shape is cheaper than a full base install.

"Direct Project Funding:
The core purpose of issuing municipal bonds is to get immediate capital for critical infrastructure projects instead of waiting years to save the necessary funds through current tax revenues. This allows immediate action on pressing public needs. Michigan, for example, has issued billions of dollars in bonds specifically to address its road and bridge infrastructure needs.
Spreading Costs Over Generations: By using bonds that mature in 10, 20, or even 30 years, the financial burden of these substantial projects is spread across multiple generations of users who will benefit from the improved infrastructure. Future drivers who pay gas taxes or tolls are effectively helping to service the debt incurred today.
Two Primary Bond Types: The funds for roads typically come from two main types of municipal bonds:
General Obligation (GO) Bonds: These are backed by the full faith and credit of the issuing government entity, which has the power to tax its residents to ensure repayment of the bonds. These are generally considered very safe.
Revenue Bonds: These are more specific; they are not backed by general taxing power but by the revenues generated by the project itself, such as tolls from a new highway or bridge. The BNY Mellon Municipal Bond Infrastructure Fund, for instance, specifically mentions its focus on these kinds of revenue-generating bonds. "

Key Federal Grant Programs
Rural Surface Transportation Grant Program (RSTG): Created by the IIJA, this program (FY22-26) funds rural road, bridge, tunnel, and safety projects, focusing on connectivity, economic growth, and quality of life.
Safe Streets and Roads for All (SS4A): A competitive grant program for local, regional, and Tribal efforts to prevent roadway fatalities and serious injuries, with significant funds still available.
RAISE & INFRA Grants: Discretionary grants for large-scale projects of national significance, often combined in Multimodal Project Discretionary Grant (MPDG) Notices, which can include significant rural road and bridge improvements.
Surface Transportation Block Grant Program (STBG): Provides flexible funding to states for various projects, including rural roads, bridges, and transit.
Build America Bureau: Offers TIFIA loans ((like the Rural Project Initiative for smaller projects) and technical assistance for rural and Tribal projects.

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2025 8:06 am
by JamesJBoyle
pbona wrote: ↑Sun Dec 14, 2025 7:54 am Reality Check. Safety first. The Island population HAS already changed. Unless you wish to hold mandatory "Amy" driving classes, or stringently enforce safer driving by changing speed limits or increasing law enforcement, we will continue to endanger the health of children, the safety of cyclists and pedestrians. Islands like Madeline Island and Washington Island have not lost any of their beauty or character by having paved roads. You can still wave on a paved road, but you will have your window down and head out of the dust. East Side Drive and Mcauley road are unsafe from June to September. Ask anyone who has tried to pull out of their driveway or has had to drive at 5mph over washboard roads to avoid shaking loose fillings or been passed on a gravel road by someone going 50mph. Yes, it would be nice to have the aura of 1972, but it is 2025 and not at the sacrifice of our quality of life. Health and safety are not a convenience. I say this while understanding the difficulty of paying for these projects, but they could be achieved incrementally. Island labor, contractors and materials could reduce cost and provide much needed jobs. Municipal Bonds could be used for long term funding. Federal grants are also available. You have a ferry system and an airport because of them, Why not improve the roads? If you want nostalgia, bring back the Island spirit of self reliance and the ingenuity of the people who built corduroy roads.

"Tar and chip (or chip seal) typically costs $2 to $5 per square foot, depending on layers, location, and prep work; it's generally cheaper than asphalt but pricier than just gravel, often offering a rustic look with less maintenance than concrete. A single layer might be $2-$3/sq. ft., while a double layer could hit $3-$5/sq. ft. or more, with costs influenced by oil prices and stone selection.
Cost Breakdown & Factors
Average Range: Expect to pay in the $2–$5 per square foot range for a standard installation.
Single vs. Double: A single seal coat is around $2–$3/sq. ft., while a double seal can be $3–$5/sq. ft. or higher.
Factors Influencing Price:
Location & Labor: Costs vary by region and local labor rates.
Oil Prices: Asphalt prices fluctuate with oil commodity costs, affecting overall expense.
Stone Choice: Different colored or textured stones impact the final price.
Base Preparation: Installing over existing material in good shape is cheaper than a full base install.

"Direct Project Funding:
The core purpose of issuing municipal bonds is to get immediate capital for critical infrastructure projects instead of waiting years to save the necessary funds through current tax revenues. This allows immediate action on pressing public needs. Michigan, for example, has issued billions of dollars in bonds specifically to address its road and bridge infrastructure needs.
Spreading Costs Over Generations: By using bonds that mature in 10, 20, or even 30 years, the financial burden of these substantial projects is spread across multiple generations of users who will benefit from the improved infrastructure. Future drivers who pay gas taxes or tolls are effectively helping to service the debt incurred today.
Two Primary Bond Types: The funds for roads typically come from two main types of municipal bonds:
General Obligation (GO) Bonds: These are backed by the full faith and credit of the issuing government entity, which has the power to tax its residents to ensure repayment of the bonds. These are generally considered very safe.
Revenue Bonds: These are more specific; they are not backed by general taxing power but by the revenues generated by the project itself, such as tolls from a new highway or bridge. The BNY Mellon Municipal Bond Infrastructure Fund, for instance, specifically mentions its focus on these kinds of revenue-generating bonds. "

Key Federal Grant Programs
Rural Surface Transportation Grant Program (RSTG): Created by the IIJA, this program (FY22-26) funds rural road, bridge, tunnel, and safety projects, focusing on connectivity, economic growth, and quality of life.
Safe Streets and Roads for All (SS4A): A competitive grant program for local, regional, and Tribal efforts to prevent roadway fatalities and serious injuries, with significant funds still available.
RAISE & INFRA Grants: Discretionary grants for large-scale projects of national significance, often combined in Multimodal Project Discretionary Grant (MPDG) Notices, which can include significant rural road and bridge improvements.
Surface Transportation Block Grant Program (STBG): Provides flexible funding to states for various projects, including rural roads, bridges, and transit.
Build America Bureau: Offers TIFIA loans ((like the Rural Project Initiative for smaller projects) and technical assistance for rural and Tribal projects.
Another spot on assessment

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2025 1:37 pm
by 3Suns
Many people want to make improvements without looking at all the long term costs. Many times they look at only the initial purchase cost and not the maintenance and especially the replacement costs. It was mentioned that financing could be spread out over 30 years. Roads do not last 30 years and require maintenance typically just a few years after they're built. Funding an asphalt road for 30 years would put us in a situation where we would most likely still be paying on a road that would have already deteriorated to a point that would require replacement.

For those who may not remember what the Kings Highway was like for many years, it was patches on top of patches since before I first came to the island in 1997 until it was finally repaved in recent years. I don't think this was due due to laziness on anyone's part, it was a matter of funding. I suggest that everyone educates themselves with the challenges of what it took to get the Kings Highway repaved.

There's nothing worse in my opinion than building something that we cannot properly maintain and replaced in the future due to a lack of funding. In some instances paved roads have been converted back to gravel in the state due to the much higher upkeep and replacement costs for paved roads versus gravel.

The following is a link to one of many articles on other Michigan communities facing the same situation.

https://blog.midwestind.com/michigan-to ... %20Roberts.

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2025 3:44 pm
by BigAl
Great point 35suns...I'm still confused about what has been proposed with regard to "paving" of East Side Dr....Asphalt overlay, chip-seal, tar-seal etc. I see that the Charlevoix County Road Commission (CCRC) is putting this East Side pavement project out for bid this week, Dec 19th @ 9:30 am. I guess I'll find out and we will get an idea of the scope and cost of the project.

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2025 7:13 am
by pbona
By your own math, the paving of King’s highway has lasted 28 years without major repairs. Investing in the future health and safety of the island infrastructure was a good plan then as it is now.

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2025 8:23 am
by pbona
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In the interest of providing positive possible solutions,
This all-in-one paver can be purchased for about$300k. When combined with island aggregate and man power, It could provide a home grown low cost solution.

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2025 10:33 am
by esalveter
When I first came to the island in 1993 pretty much every road was gravel. I remember when they first paved Kings Highway. That first paving project did not hold up good. It quickly became a bunch of potholes. When they paved it the second time they ripped it up down to the gravel and started over. I guess my point is that it has been paved at least twice in a roughly 30 year period.

The down State County I live in when I can't be on the island has very good roads. The asphalt roads are nice and smooth. They get overlaid with chip and seal every few years. The gravel roads are nice and smooth. They are well graded. They are only in bad shape for a few weeks every spring as the frost is going out.

The next County over has terrible roads. The roads are all paved but poorly maintained. Most of their roads are just nothing but patched potholes.

I must admit I am undecided on paving island roads. Part of me thinks it would be nice to have more roads like Kings Highway. Part of me thinks paved roads will just cause people to drive faster and destroy the character of the island. I do know that with proper maintenance gravel roads can be good, and with poor maintenance paved roads can be terrible.

Re: Paving of East Side Drive

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 10:22 pm
by AEW
Old roof shingles can be recycled and used for aggregate for new roads. Lots of saving potential.

https://shinglerecycling.org/