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Pam Grassmick



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:08 pm 
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Last night was the St. James meeting to adopt their 5 year Recreation Plan. It was a good meeting with St. James deciding to tackle upgrades to their campground. The very generous offer by Mr. Woollam to buy the Anderson Marina and give it to the township was addressed. Purchasing the property is not the issue, but how best to develop the property will be pursued by Travis Martin and Kitty McNamera. Congestion of the streets with trucks and boat trailers was identified as an issue and how best to remedy that was discussed.

Multiple options for recreation funding were presented for developing the campground to boat launch, fishing pier, and waterfront parks. The Michigan Natural Resources Trust Fund (MNRTF) was identified as a possible source of funding for these projects. The MNRTF has $12-$15 million available in funding this year. The maximum that they give to a project is $300,00 on development projects. The issue before St. James would require $50,000-$90,000 in matching funds for a $300,000-$360,000 project, obviously a big expenditure for one township. The ability to complete a MNRTF grant was identified as a challenge. It was decided to not proceed with the Woollam offer, a fishing pier, and a boat launch at this time but to study how best to develop the property. Last month, Peaine decided to abandon the Wagner Boat Launch which makes town launching sites all that more critical. As long as the water stays high, Islanders and visitors should be able to launch boats and jet skis from the harbor. As many of you remember when the lake levels were lower a few years ago, it was difficult to launch a 17 ft. boat from any of the St. James launch sites.

Wherever you live on Beaver Island, without the amenities in St. James, few would live here. Many amenities are paid for by St. James taxpayers-voters or not. Peaine residents also enjoy the use of those amenities such as launching boats, tying up to a dock, using the sewer system while we're in the harbor area, walking the sidewalks, or the bike path. I recognize St. James taxpayers putting out more in millages which I use, thank you. Ideas to help support matching funds for these grants should be directed to the St. James Township board.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:18 pm 
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Pam and all involved Applause
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ktaylor



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:49 pm 
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Thanks Marie for pointing out this thread. So much chatter on the forum that I missed that. Thanks Pam for the report.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:35 pm 
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Good job Marie and Pam.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:58 pm 
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Pam,

I appreciate your post and the update on the meeting. The gift of the Marinia is certainly generous. I am glad to hear that it is being looked at by Kitty and Travis. One concern is that if it was to become part of the township how much revenue is the township giving up on the taxes that the current property owner pays? Is the township looking at turning it into something that could generate enough income to replace the tax base? Perhaps these questions are premature, but I certainly hope are being considered.

Your last paragraph puzzled me a little, and maybe I misunderstood what you were saying with all the consolidation talk.

So am understanding correct that if I don't pay taxes in St. James and come into the community it is not fair because I don't pay for the sewage, sidewalks and boat docks? If I use the sewage at a business then they should pay that bill...not me. It is called cost of doing business. As far as sidewalks, don't I need to walk down a sidewalk to get to the businesses to spend my money that keeps the economy in St. James going? I personally don't use a dock or boat and am not aware of many around me (actually any) down here that do. I know alot of St. James residents that have boats in the bay and of course the tourist.

There are many many joint projects and tax dollars that are joint and each township pays into to support the island as a whole. This is a good link that explains a townships responsibility and how the taxes are handled.

https://www.michigantownships.org/whattwpdo.asp

It discusses the roads and the Counties responsibility in the roads. It also in the last paragraph says,


Townships serve other governental units by providing tax collection services. To avoid imposing an unnecessary burden on citizens to pay separate property taxes to the township, schools, special assessment districts and the county, Michigan townships provide uniform assessment of property values and collect all property taxes on behalf of the other units of government. Only a very small portion of the taxes collected are retained by the township for its own operating purposes.


Yes, St. James has sidewalks, sewers and boat areas to attract tourist that come in and utilize the facilities. These tourist provide income for the businesses that turn around and employee many. The residents of neighboring township also come into town and SPEND MONEY in the town as well.

The island is a special place because of the uniqueness of it. The seclusion yet a quaint little town. We have the best of both worlds.

The argument that we all use the services is not a fair argument. As many don't know how their tax dollars are spent. If you want us to be equal then when will the whole island have sewer and sidewalks? After all...people do travel south of the four corners.

If I truly felt that consolidation would help the island as a community I would be the first in line cheering . I pay non-homestead taxes and don't complain as I know the Non-homestead goes towards the schools and the kids are the future of the island.

I fear consolidation is going to create more power among a few and we are going to see a bigger division on the island then ever before.

I would hope that ALL taxpayors and voters really think about the motivations behind this petition. A petition created, designed and place with no facts, no numbers and nothing prepared.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:08 pm 
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This is a St. James Township plan with a possible substantial donation to increase the attractiveness of St. James township and the town. You don't want to have anything to do with St. James, so please stay out of any discussion. We know where you are coming from. As a St. James taxpayer I do not object to moving forward even if it means an increase in taxes.

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meadefamily



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:11 pm 
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I am sorry you feel that way and feel it is okay to be on here without saying who you are. Good luck to you.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:15 pm 
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No offense Kathe, but I am a taxpayer and tend to agree with the sailingman.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:17 pm 
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No offense Ken, but of course you do. You can not argue with my comments so you join in...I would not expect any less of you.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:22 pm 
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Please show me where I stated I did not want to have anything to do with St. James.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:26 pm 
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You never stated the fact, but implied it by your posts against consolidation, which means joining with for a prosperous future.
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meadefamily



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:33 pm 
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Ken that is so unfair and insane to even state that. So now because many of your reasons for consolidation have all been proven invalid you are stretching to say that anyone who has concerns over consolidation wants nothing to do with St. James and does not want to join in the "prosperous future".

You are really stretching now.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:07 pm 
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Ken . . .

Iím confused . . . if someone questions the wisdom of township consolidation, they want nothing to do with St. James Township and they donít want whatís best for the Island?

Thatís pretty harsh coming from someone that cannot articulate a coherent argument stating why consolidation is in the best interest of the Island.

Furthermore, for someone who favors transparency and expects others to play by the rules, it seems inconsistent that you do not ask sailorman to identify himself. After all, the forum rules ask that: Please include your name with your post.

Not that you will, but I think that both you and Sailorman should apologize to Kathe.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:25 pm 
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Great post Bill, I am in agreement with you that Larry and Ken owe Kathe an apology.

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ktaylor



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:22 am 
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No apology necessary as Kathe. Bill and John need not post on this thread, as it is not about consolidation, but the St James 5 year recreation plan. We have heard how you feel, so you don't need to go on and on and on. You know how I feel, so I don't need to repeat it on every thread as you have done. Let St. James Township continue to explore possibilities that might increase the number of people that rent, have homes here or are day visitors. It is obviously needed.
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