Interest find on township consolidations
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Andy's Grooming Barn
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DonH, Do you concede the bet? You said Kathe would reply to my post within 30 minutes and it's now been close to 4 hours. By the looks of things, it must be Andy is taking the afternoon shift on the forum.
I'm sending the proceeds of our bet to the Beaver Island Music Fest. Not to confuse things but the music fest is held in Peaine Township while the mailing address is in St. James Township. I'm hoping that by music fest time there is not an armed boarder crossing gate on the township line just north of the four corners.
aka/Don
I'm sending the proceeds of our bet to the Beaver Island Music Fest. Not to confuse things but the music fest is held in Peaine Township while the mailing address is in St. James Township. I'm hoping that by music fest time there is not an armed boarder crossing gate on the township line just north of the four corners.
aka/Don
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islandliving
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This very serious government issue should be worked on by the governments involved. Peaine and St. Jamesâ??s Townships, not by volunteers. Or at least the townships should be working together on it with volunteer help. Our 10 payed people soon to be our 5 saviors of the Island. Oh no negative again. Shame.
John McCafferty
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islandliving
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islandliving
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islandliving
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What in the christs holy name are you trying to say?
Bad bad what?!
Nonsense to you! Yesterday there were threatening demands to have someones home address - now today, publicly, openly promising to supply that address. In order that eliminate an enemy? (As you said â??eliminate your enimies (sic) according to the law of the landâ?)
It is generous to conclude that you are referring to voting. Or democracy.
The need of you and kathe (sure, and andy) to know and share a persons address sure as plain hell makes you sound like torch happy gerrymanders.
Bad bad what?!
Nonsense to you! Yesterday there were threatening demands to have someones home address - now today, publicly, openly promising to supply that address. In order that eliminate an enemy? (As you said â??eliminate your enimies (sic) according to the law of the landâ?)
It is generous to conclude that you are referring to voting. Or democracy.
The need of you and kathe (sure, and andy) to know and share a persons address sure as plain hell makes you sound like torch happy gerrymanders.
Megsing3: You hit the nail on the head. They look like they want to threaten people to think their way or else. 
I like the idea of a consolidation. The larger the pool of citizens that can be drawn from for offices, not just township officers but for the many committees, the better quality you should be able to get.
I like the idea of a consolidation. The larger the pool of citizens that can be drawn from for offices, not just township officers but for the many committees, the better quality you should be able to get.-
islandliving
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meadefamily
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Megsing3 and Kathy (another fake )
I can assure you your dramatic, twisting post are incorrect. My comment to Don H. was off the cuff in response to his insane notion that we should just be positive and the taxes will probably go down. My comment was to point out to him that he should not he making speculations using others money. It was not as you suggested. Come on...give me a break!!!
In the future if you are going to play this word game it may be helpful if you stop editing your post, use your real identities and try to keep the drama down.
Kathy...welcome back. When you boys are real desperate you dig her back out of your bag of tricks. Kathy, no one here on either side has threatened anyone. And your friend meg, O my goodness, if only she would of not edited her post! It brought a whole new level of sickness to the on going game.
Can we know get back on topic? O wait we can't because there are not facts. Just fluff, rainbows and positive thoughts. Yup.. can certainly run a business in that!!!
I can assure you your dramatic, twisting post are incorrect. My comment to Don H. was off the cuff in response to his insane notion that we should just be positive and the taxes will probably go down. My comment was to point out to him that he should not he making speculations using others money. It was not as you suggested. Come on...give me a break!!!
In the future if you are going to play this word game it may be helpful if you stop editing your post, use your real identities and try to keep the drama down.
Kathy...welcome back. When you boys are real desperate you dig her back out of your bag of tricks. Kathy, no one here on either side has threatened anyone. And your friend meg, O my goodness, if only she would of not edited her post! It brought a whole new level of sickness to the on going game.
Can we know get back on topic? O wait we can't because there are not facts. Just fluff, rainbows and positive thoughts. Yup.. can certainly run a business in that!!!
Kathe, Can you please post your home and island address for all of us on the forum? DonH and I want to send you a badge to go along with your being self appointed chief of the forum police.
My advise as the coward I am, spend less time on meaningless conspiracy theories and more on consolidation.
aka/Don - Love my new identity.
My advise as the coward I am, spend less time on meaningless conspiracy theories and more on consolidation.
aka/Don - Love my new identity.
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Skull&CrossBones
Facts on Consolidation
Some of the negativity on this forum really surprises me, and others may be marked as perceived loss of control.
Some facts might help. There are those that are working on that, but sometimes gathering information can be difficult. For example, no audit can be found for Peaine Township online, but the St. James audit is available in two locations. Perhaps, this kind of thing is slowing down the release of information until it can be verified.
Here is one fact that hasn't been even mentioned. St. James Township could have legally allowed two people from the township population to run for a position on the coordinating committee. Why? Because the population in St. James is higher in the 2010 census.
What did St. James Township do? They voted to allow just one person join the coordinating committee instead.
What does this have to do with the issue of consolidation? It has a lot to do with making certain that IF there is a coordinating committee, there will be equal numbers of elected people on the coordinating committee from each township.
So? They could have stacked the coordinating committee with another person and could have had a built in majority for any votes, but, you see, they didn't do that.
Who will make the decisions regarding tax levy? These decisions will be made by the coordinating committee and/or a future elected board, so no one can know for certain what they will be until or if the coordinating committee and/or future elected board is in place. Estimates can be made, but that is all they will be, estimates.
Who has been paying more millage for joint services for many years? The answer is St. James taxpayers. For many, many years, Peaine Township has matched the dollars raised in St. James. With a higher tax base in Peaine, this meant that equal dollars raised meant lower millage paid by each taxpayer in Peaine for shared services.
What does this have to do with consolidation and the issue of consolidation? If consolidation takes place, then each taxpayer on Beaver Island will pay the exact same millage on these group projects. No township taxpayer will get a lower millage on any of these projects.
Doesn't that mean that some taxes will go up? Not necessarily. It depends upon the priority that the new board, formed after the consolidation, if the consolidation takes place.
Can you predict the future? Someone not elected yet, if a new township is formed, will be making the levy decisions.
So, finally, with the election still more than two months away, I would like to suggest that there is still a lot of information to be gathered before predictions can be made, and the negative comments and the name calling and the hair splitting really isn't going to accomplish anything except to provide entertainment.
The so and so says this, and his buddy says that, and all the brow beating, and frankly bullying behavior is not doing anything except reflect on those posting this type of stuff.
Joe Moore
Some facts might help. There are those that are working on that, but sometimes gathering information can be difficult. For example, no audit can be found for Peaine Township online, but the St. James audit is available in two locations. Perhaps, this kind of thing is slowing down the release of information until it can be verified.
Here is one fact that hasn't been even mentioned. St. James Township could have legally allowed two people from the township population to run for a position on the coordinating committee. Why? Because the population in St. James is higher in the 2010 census.
What did St. James Township do? They voted to allow just one person join the coordinating committee instead.
What does this have to do with the issue of consolidation? It has a lot to do with making certain that IF there is a coordinating committee, there will be equal numbers of elected people on the coordinating committee from each township.
So? They could have stacked the coordinating committee with another person and could have had a built in majority for any votes, but, you see, they didn't do that.
Who will make the decisions regarding tax levy? These decisions will be made by the coordinating committee and/or a future elected board, so no one can know for certain what they will be until or if the coordinating committee and/or future elected board is in place. Estimates can be made, but that is all they will be, estimates.
Who has been paying more millage for joint services for many years? The answer is St. James taxpayers. For many, many years, Peaine Township has matched the dollars raised in St. James. With a higher tax base in Peaine, this meant that equal dollars raised meant lower millage paid by each taxpayer in Peaine for shared services.
What does this have to do with consolidation and the issue of consolidation? If consolidation takes place, then each taxpayer on Beaver Island will pay the exact same millage on these group projects. No township taxpayer will get a lower millage on any of these projects.
Doesn't that mean that some taxes will go up? Not necessarily. It depends upon the priority that the new board, formed after the consolidation, if the consolidation takes place.
Can you predict the future? Someone not elected yet, if a new township is formed, will be making the levy decisions.
So, finally, with the election still more than two months away, I would like to suggest that there is still a lot of information to be gathered before predictions can be made, and the negative comments and the name calling and the hair splitting really isn't going to accomplish anything except to provide entertainment.
The so and so says this, and his buddy says that, and all the brow beating, and frankly bullying behavior is not doing anything except reflect on those posting this type of stuff.
Joe Moore